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« Thread started on: Jan 11th, 2012, 09:24am »

Time for a new thread!
Dates for this years camp, or possibly 2 camps, will be posted in the next couple of weeks.If anyone has any questions about the camps ,Liz Molyneux is the person to talk to. She can be emailed at liz.molyneux@receptional.com .
Charlie has had the first 2 letters to answer from Your Horse for this year - I think he has now been answering for about 8 or 9 years! many letters editors have come and gone ,usually a new one per year. Some are pro , and some are luke warm to N H , but at the moment we have a friendly editor! In the early years all letters came to us handwritten , replies were typed,printed and sent by post. Now its all email in both directions. In fact the magazine now does not quarentee an individual answer , and many are replied to from the mag s selection of stock answers. I m suprised so many people still ask questions - there ar emany horse forums for info - although often reading these forums its the blind leading the blind.In the horse world everyone has an opinion!
I have everything crossed today, as C has taken |Wills out hunting. he nearly didnt go - new calf , then the dog we re looking after for friends ran off , but ion the end he s gone, [plus back protector] and we ll see how that transpires!
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 11th, 2012, 8:48pm »

Well? How did Charlie get on? How's the calf?
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 12th, 2012, 09:32am »

Charlie is a bit tires today! After a 7 mile hack , and three hours with Wills getting stronger all the time ,and a 7 mile hack back the horse was still getting stronger all the time! He would have been good a hundred years ago, when horses worked so hard , or perhaps as a Pony Express horse,galloping for 15 miles! At least c returned safe , there werent any jumps apart from ditches , which he flew without even thinking about it! Today Wills not even tired , galloping around the field as usual!
The calf is fine. She is Eric s first baby and was fairly large, took C all his strength on the calving aid to get her out [ aand a few slaps from me to get the lungs working and clear], but Minnie has big calves , so not over worried [yet]. It took a while to get her stood up , but after a few drinks , from Minnies very low milk bar!, she is away and doing well. next cow, Shkira, will calve in a few days time, so we ll have a better indication when she calves as to whether Eric is going to make them too big. If so, we ll have to replace him , esp as we re getting some maiden heifers, who will need a small 'husband'.
I m going out now to give Keano his first lesson in liberty. he has such an attitude! When I tried to protect Polly a ther feed he trotted around, squaring u[p to me and even boxed the air . I find it amusing , but its a habit I think I ll not let him get into!
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 17th, 2012, 2:50pm »

How's Keanu feeling today? A little less full of himself hopefully!

Anyway, back to the thread subject - this summer's camps laugh

We're going to hold two - one in July and one in August, both of 4 days duration but each with a different theme. The July one is learning greater subtlety in all your 'conversations' with your horse be it ridden, online or at liberty. In August we're concentrating on building and strengthening the bond between horse and handler to encourage mutual trust and increase the enjoyment of the time you spend together.

As usual Charlie and Judith will be working as a team so they will help you see every facet of your horse's character and offer loads of tips and practical advice on how to move on from whatever level you're currently at.

I'll be sending out an email very soon with a few more details (like the dates!) so if you're a member of this forum but not on Charlie's database let me know soonest (liz@receptional.com) to make sure you don't miss out.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 19th, 2012, 09:50am »

Keanu was a very well developed boy, and the vet struggled to cut the cords! There is no difference in his behaviour - seems to be pain free and as keen on Polly as ever!
The next cow had a very large calf [ now ok but a struggle to get him out and on to his feet], so now we re quite worried about the rest incalf to Eric...
Thank you, Liz, for all the organisation that is already beginning for the camps. I can only hope we have better weather than last year! Apart from that though, we enjoyed teaching the two camps , and hope this year will be just as good!
Charlie is already getting busy with new students/horses - and getting very cold standing in arenas and loose boxes. The teaching calendar follows a similar rythym -m not so much in the winter , then people start preparing to do new things in the spring , so need help . Then busy all summer [ when we d like to go showing!!], and still busy most of the autumn. break for December , and it all starts again. Recent problemsinclude bad behaviour on horse rest [ when at Sinnington we used the big pens as visiting horse box rest , and that kept the horses 'sweet']and bargy youngsters. continuing students include general improvement of riding skills, dealing with slightly difficult but talented warmbloods , prep for showing and so on. Despite the cold , it is work C enjoys so much; we just need more hours in the day!
Any queries re the camp Liz Molyneux is more than happy tom chat to you - and can answer questions better than we can! her number is 01525715520
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 19th, 2012, 2:03pm »

Poor Polly sad hopefully his behaviour will reduce over time.

I had a play at liberty with Milo this morning after we'd done some online stuff and despite the howling gale he had been very good. Offline I asked for a circle at walk and he was really cross - he'd start at walk and then tuck his nose into his chest, strike outmwithhhis front inside leg and race off into trot! Then he'd stop I. The corner and when I went to push him off he reared. He's got amazing balance, he stood almost upright for 3 or 4 seconds and then came back to earth. I'd ask again and up he'd go. I didn't take a backward step and continued to ask him on one arm pointing the way I wanted him to go and the stick held parallel with the ground in my other hand. He went up a third time and I burst out laughing, he looked so cross. Eventually he did do as I asked but I was starting to get concerned. I think I'll cut his portions back
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 19th, 2012, 2:07pm »

Sorry, my last post went out by accident so please excuse the typos and the fact that it was unfinished!

I was going to add what advice can you give me pleqse Judith? Perhaps I'm feeding him too much or perhaps he's testing the boundaries? he didn't actually frighten me but, my goodness, when he stands up like that he's a lot of horse!

One othe thing - anyone is more than welcome to all me but my number is 01525 716423 at home or my mobile is 07831 584074 - I'll be sending the first email out shortly and they're on that as well.

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« Reply #7 on: Jan 20th, 2012, 08:48am »

reminds me of DANCER! I spent ages looking at the undersides of her front hooves. I think you have answered your own question as it's all about the going forward and he isn't. As soon as I unlocked the going forward all rearing stopped.

Duke bucked on wednesday at liberty which is the most expressive he is when feeling the pressure. Laughing is the best way to sort this behaviour whilst quietly persisting.

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« Reply #8 on: Jan 20th, 2012, 2:19pm »

Cheers Alex laugh
David simply didn't believe me when I said how upright and for how long Milo reared so he came out to watch this morning. And what happened? Pretty well mannered on line and at liberty, other than a small, very half hearted leap and plunge he didn't rear once! Plenty of stamping on the trotting circle and head shaking seems to be a new phenomenon when asked to back up - for such a quiet, laid back character he's beginning to show to his feelings which I think is a good thing!

Where did Duke learn to buck, he's always been so well mannered? Who's he been picking up naughty tips from?
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 21st, 2012, 09:27am »

Nice to see some discussion of problems! [I took Charlie away fro his birthday, a suprise spoil of a lovely country house hotel . We felt very pamered and indulged .Hassop Hall, derbys ]
Liz, its good that Milo can let out his true and trodden on emotions. Liberty could also be called 'let it all out'!Take it as a cpmpliment that he feels at ease enough to do these things. And never worry about how it might translate into riding- they do know the difference. Its not unlike when they play rear/buck/kick in the field with their pals. Now that he s reared once , he may never do it again , but he may do something different. Whatever he gives you , Alex has the right idea - KEEP SMILING! This was the absolute key to Frederic Pignons work - even when its not quite right keep calm and smiling and keep the horse fresh and interested/interacting.
Ben ,virtually every time, would buck and kick out his hind legs near me when I asked him to circle [ unless at a walk!] , but just took it as his frustration at having to work , and took no notice.
Liberty is such an intreging thing to do , gives you a very clear idea of what they are thinking - and usually its not what we expect. Sorry to give the wrong phone number ,Liz, I havent a clue why the other one was written in our book, or who it belongs to.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 21st, 2012, 1:40pm »

Thanks for the advice, I am learning to smile all the time and try and work out the 'why' behind the reaction. Watching, attending clincs and camps and generally listening helps tremendously.
I'm going to make the school area more interesting and see if I can get Milo intrigued by stuff rather than bored.
No problem ref the phone number it's my work number so it'll still reach me but might puzzle my colleagues!
I'm heading off into the gales now to see what Milo can think of today.....why do Strider and Dandy and keep coming to mind?! Is it because he's new to this stuff, new to me or because he's only 7?
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 22nd, 2012, 9:43pm »

I dont think Milo is in the same league as Dandy or Strider- do not worry!Your boy is very sensitive , has been handled roughly and passed around. Dont worry too uch about the 'why' - sometimes it becomes plain in time , or it may remain a mystery. He is letting all that come out, and thats a good thing. He s probably held emotion in for years , and thats unnatural for a horse ;they want to get things sorted and chill out again. Theres nothing that I read that indicates he s trying to dominate or intimidate - he s not over confident or defiant [ like which horses I wonder?]
If at any time you feel you arent sure , take a deep breath ,keep calm and in control[ pretend if you have to ] and go back through the stages /change the plan till you find a connection. It might be you have to go right back to stroking in the centre , but thats what its there for - to reconnect, chill out and take all pressure off. Milo s rehabilitation to a happy confident horse untroubled by his past is the aim of everything at the present time - liberty, groundwork and riding all working together. Just think how far you ve come in the last few months.

For anyone else working with a horse who has had pooor/rough/ignorant handling , if you ever need to ask a question , please do get in touch , either through this forum , or private email. Or any other question you like! I availed myself of the Horse and Hound forum to ask for remedies for heel bug, and got 1 good answer that I will try. However, trying to locate Keanus dad [ Sundawn or perhaps Sundown Tradesman] by asking on a forum has not produced any results.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 23rd, 2012, 10:26am »

Duke was just full of himself as he is not going out. The trials of a livery yard. I think it has been a good experience to be in one but oh how I am longing for it all to be over! There are lots of pluses being in a yard but the irritations are many and you are paying for those too!

Why don't farriers clean up after themselves in a big yard where the owners are not there for the shoeing? why won't they shoe outside and not tied up across the corridors?? Who is leaving the used tea bags on the sink?

I am still experiencing real problems in canter. quite a long story and of course it is now a bit of an issue for me. I have unlocked the forward generally and he is really moving well. I had moments of lovely lifted shoulders in trot the other day which gave me the glimpse of where I should be. Duke has in fact grown again since the summer and now has a wither. He reacts immediately to any odd feelings in his saddle as I have learnt! He has been taught fling changes too soon and this has confused him also with my lack of stillness and experience of this we get in a muddle and I bounce in the saddle. Duke is not that calm unless he is calm if that makes sense and he lets you know if everything isn't right. Any thoughts
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 23rd, 2012, 9:20pm »

Thanks Judith smiley. Alex's post about flying changes makes me realise just how far removed we are in our horses! I appreciate your tips re Milo and I'm persisting (but varying) our online sessions. Over the weekend we did some circling on a fairly steep hill which made him concentrate; today I introduced a jumping pole (flat on the ground initially) and cantering. He managed to jump the pole one when it was all of 12" off the ground, but he successfully trotted over it several times!
Come on everyone, you don't just want to read about me, what are you all doing?
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 24th, 2012, 08:25am »

Well, it's all ab out me at the moment! grin

Someone asked me how long it took to teach Duke to circle at liberty and come back to me. I found that so difficult to answer. He does some of it naturally, but he did not move away from me in the beginning at all. How to quantify all the time with other horses too. the lack of time some people are willing to give to there horse in improving them on the ground is quite shocking to me now but of course a few years ago it had to be under cover if not to be ridiculed!

I want to do more with Duke but do find it very difficult whilst on a traditional yard. Liz, rearing even in play would have you taken into a corner to be told how a horse should be done.

At the moment I am also working on the contact on the lunge and finding the benefit once on board. I am feeling his left hind less that his right ridden so I am concentrating on developing this. Again ,any exercises to suggest? huh
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