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« Reply #90 on: Nov 4th, 2011, 4:25pm »

Phew! Made it. I've been trying to get online for a few days to write but the system kept shutting me out so I've reregistered now - that fooled it!
I can't remember what I was going to say when I started trying to get online but I will say that I agree with Judith, Duke is going to be brilliant at dressage and high school stuff. I remember checking out a ride in Majorca (a fabulous place) a couple of years ago which was also an Andalucian stud and the foals, only weeks old, were doing the most amazing movements. So have fun Alex, enjoy the clinics, learn masses and just see what your boy can offer you smiley
For my friends who don't know I have a new horse laugh He's a RID, chestnut, 7yo. A bit younger than I wanted but ticked all the other boxes - well, except I didn't have a box marked 'Conformation', and that's not brilliant - I await Charlie and Judith's appraisal with trepidation! But he's got a lovely temperament and that was very important in my ultimate selection.
Heather and I went to see approximately 734 Irish Draughts over the last 12 months - as we're in Bedfordshire why were they all miles away - predominantly in south Kent? But after many fruitless trips we found one and he came home in mid-September.
When you've got a horse with whom you've got a relationship and who understands what you mean when using the NH approach it's a real brain-teaser going back to square one and starting again! He's as bit timid around men (from what I gather he's had a pretty 'interesting' 2.5 years since he left his breeder) so today David did some stuff with him and they got on fine but I did notice that Milo was rather wary and ultra-responsive initially. If it's not tipping down tomorrow then I think we'll have a go at going out on our own again - so far he's been a star - the brakes are poor mind you, so we're working on transitions!
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« Reply #91 on: Nov 5th, 2011, 3:16pm »

Liz-
character and temperament are all important. Whats the point of a beautiful horse if its unridable? [ I m thinking of Wills here]david will be a very good introduction to kind male handling .Do you write down your progress? I ve done it on several occasions , and its very intersting ,looking back over it to see your improvements. Often we forget where we ve come from , and think too much about where we d like to get to!
Look forward to hearing about your N H progress with your boy.I know how you feel about teaching a horse from scratch - its such a time consuming training to get N H tasks to a certain level, which is why Guinness has only had the foundation of N H , and I ve not pursued stuff like ridden liberty . It means I ve fallen into the trap of using N H to 'fix ' things , and if nothing wrong [ G being horizontal in his laidback-ness] then the training progresses in a tradtitional way - ridden on roads in saddle and bridle ! And he has been 100% with Charlie out hunting - there were about 60 horses last weeks local meet . have to say G, at nearly 15.3 was one of the smallest there, and there were lots closer to 18 then 17hh! I volunteered to hand out drinks - had to be very careful between these restive monsters. G just stood there......
If only I could work out how to put photos on here I d do it, as I took a few that day.
Winter seems very close now - the cattle are sayoing they dlike to come in , but we re resisiting their calls. Guinness and Wills , as they re clipped are in at nights. Ben and Topper come in with them , have a feed and haylage, then go out again! Old Polly and cameo are out till they ll be 'barned' 24/7 when the fields get too wet.[ and we re nearly to that point] This land isnt as bad as sinnington , which was utterly bottomless, but here its still clay.
Its syear since we moved , and we still feel like we re on holiday! Still glad to be back in the 'Golden Valley'. We ve still lots to do - tarmaccing the road , stoning gateways, hedging, reroofing some of the buildings , but overall things are more manageable than this time last year , when the foof was off the house, we were in a small caravan in the hayshed, and builders made the road into a sloppy mess.
As a final, and sad note, for those of you who were on first summer camp, Chris died recently. He and Gill, with their Spanish horses , were very keen students of N H and A T, and brought much to the camp. Chris was ill then , but always positive and hopeful. Our thoughts and sympathies to Gill - she and Chris married recently.
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« Reply #92 on: Nov 15th, 2011, 4:47pm »

Yes, Chris's death is desperately sad and I'm sure everyone who met him and Gill in July will be saddened and shocked by the speed of this.
Congratulations on your first anniversary under a proper roof!
We've had some lovely weather down here in the soft south lately and I've taken full advantage to get out and play with our new horse. As usual when buying from dealers one takes a bucket of salt with what they say, but this vendor was meant to be a private seller but the imagination of what she told me was phenomenal. Trading Standards were very interested in what I had to say and I got the distinct impression they already had a file on the dealer in question - when I gave them the name the lady said 'do they have a yard in .....?' and I confirmed it was the same people. I've got in touch with a previous owner and we're comparing notes which is a very interesting exercise!
Guinness sounds to be doing brilliantly taking Charlie hunting - I hope he's taking care of those legs so he'll be OK for the ring next summer?
Anyway, what's everyone else up to? Vanessa - how's Strider now? And the rest of your herd? And Alex - how's Duke getting on with the PK approach? What have you been doing with him lately?
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« Reply #93 on: Nov 17th, 2011, 3:54pm »

Perhaps we could have a 'horse sales & dealers stories ' thread - I find it amazing people can be so dishonest , but we have been fooled ourselves at times. Perhaps its anothe rof Marilyns Law of Three - 1 good ,1ok covers costs , 1 useless [ she used it as aproducer buying in stock ] It also works on breeding - for our foals it certainly averaged that ratio. When I think of the horses we ve bought its not so far out either! And , suprise , a good horse seems to have little correlation in regards to the price paid!
And on that note , we have bought ourselvesa yearling - a skewbald Trad x welsh d. This is a special cross , or was when I had Toby Twirl. Toby was dam trad, dad welsh D. This fellow 'Keanu',is the other way, mum sec d , dad an graded trad. He will hopefully make 15hh easy enough , has correct straight legs and movement ,not a big ugly head and seemed a very reasonable price. He is being befriended by Guinness , but still being ragged by Ben. So now there are 5 skew boys in the field! 2 will have the winter at night in the indoor school. Those will be Ben and Topper - the 2 old hairies!
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« Reply #94 on: Nov 18th, 2011, 3:41pm »

No, I think avoid a thread on dealers at all costs, it'll crash the system! I went to put something on the H&H forum about the ghastly dealer in Kent I had a run in with and found that H&H had actually stopped their thread because of the volume of emails about dealers all over the country! But I did start one on the IHDG forum and had some like-minded comments from others before the whole thread got removed from the site - I've written to ask why but not heard back yet. Maybe it's just too emotive or potentially a legal minefield - curious though.
How wonderful to have a new baby to enjoy, watch, play with Judith - I still think he should maintain the Irish theme and be called Murphy - smaller version of Guinness! Who or what is Keanu? Are the cows still out? Any calves appearing yet?
Milo is finding new challenges for my patience - his best so far was to spend 40 minutes on, near, half on and not on, a mounting block yesterday. I could feel myself beginning to get so frustrated that I had to really concentrate on staying calm and quiet. He might be 7.5 but he's got hardly 'any miles on the clock' - I've never had anything to do with such an inexperienced horse and I'm not sure I'm enjoying it.
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« Reply #95 on: Nov 20th, 2011, 08:12am »

Yes, I think websites are afraid of litigation. I just dont know the answer to these dodgy dealers. Even if they are closed down , they will start the next day somewhere else, under a different name and carry on as normal.I cant hink of any watertight way to buy a genuine horse- I ve certainly been bitten by dealers!
Liz- you must have heard of Keanu Reeves - handsome hunk from the 90s? It is pronounced ' kee ar noo', a Hawai an name .Kathie had a poster of him 4foot high at one time ! Keanu Reeves lost his superstar status to Johnny Depp, and hasnt made films much for a long time. He was a pal of River Phoenix , and his demise rather brought down Keanu too.
Our Keanu is trying his best to fit in. He hasnt been injured by the big biys , and G is very friendly. Wills ignors him completely. Ben and Topper are pals - and as its fine are still out at nights . They have plenty of hair to keep them warm! We can catch Keanu now quite easily, he leads well, and tries to stay out of trouble.
Milo certainly has anxiety re riding.I dont think he s trying to be difficult , but he ll have been rushed in his training , or it was unclear to his mind exactly waqs expected. So now he is on alert , and of course that makes it difficult for him to learn new things . The old habits have to be unravelled , firstly by getting him tension down. At the mounting block you re doing exatly the correct thing. The difficult[bolter] that I got [ yes, a dealer, 100% family horse apparently, and stupidly I overcame my ?? about the tension he carried and believed her lies] showed his anxiety the minute I stepped onto the ounting block. He didnt fidget , but the neck went up and in, the ears rotated back , and he became a wooden block of tension. I just had work through this by not ending the session until he relaxed. Soon I could move from standing by him , to patting saddle and hopping about , later 1 foot in the stirrup , then mount and later still walk off. have to say it took a good few sessions before he was pok. It all has to be at the horse s time scale. Until they mentally accept what we ask,it feeds back to their old mistrustful habits.
So carry on the good work! Its slow stuff - but its the foundations , you re having to put those in now , when they should have been done years ago.
This goes for any horse , and for us N H ers at least we know the framework to do this. We can read horses , and dont ignore their confusion , and dont 'train' them by tiring them out and underfeeding them. Which can hide a lot of problems! However , the N H way is the long way, which can be frustrating when we just want to get on and ride withoput complications. To Liz and all those who have a problem - hang in there![ but certain things arent worth the long task of rehabilitation - never put yourself in real danger !]
Sometimes it can hard to know the difference , but if the horse improves , is learning and listening , then continue. Charlie is currently quite busy on his regular rounds [ at present York area , another north of Scarborough, another Pickering way, should anyone wants to join in] with owner/riders making great progress .
He was very cold yest , in a valley where the low sun from Mov to Feb never reaches the steading - I d hate that!It was sunny here , and the dry weather has meant the cattle are still out. When they come in 4 calves will be sold , they are jet black and look like Angus s. The in calf cows will start to calve at the New year. One has lost her calf at the 6 month stage , not a pleasant task fro C to pull it out! Once the rain comes it ll be cows and horses in and winter regime - what a shame!
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« Reply #96 on: Nov 21st, 2011, 2:07pm »

Thanks for the advice Judith and for explaining who Keanu Reeves is/was - next question - who's River Phoenix?!
We took the tractors, trailer and chainsaw out to play yesterday trying to reduce the quantity of that huge tree which fell over the boundary fence a while ago. It's at the bottom of the hill (in the field) near some fairly dense thickets and just as we finished swing one chunk I saw Claude and Milo coming towards us looking very worried and no sign of Nins. They trotted almost up to us then spun round and galloped off calling and calling desperately for her. I walked back the way they'd come looking for her (they don't leave each other like that normally so my imagination was in overdrive) but within about 50 yards I found her merrily scoffing fallen crab apples in one of the thickets! I went back to the tree and moments later she came out calling for the others and looking rather worried. She then took off up the hill (not the way they went); a minute or two later the others appeared, called again and took off up another path - Nins then appeared down the path she'd gone up and followed them. They were finally reunited at the top of the hill and then cantered down it, past us and off to the other end of the field. We sometimes find Claude plastered with sweat and in the past we've put it down to his very long thick coat and the days being mild - but now I think they're playing hide and seek and he gets worried and races around getting himself hot and bothered!
We've had your fog for a couple of days, but it lifted enough to go out for a short hack this morning - bin day - picture us in a very narrow lane with small passing spots several hundred yards from any gate ways and we meet the bin lorry. We were fortunate though that the driver was really considerate, crept towards us and somehow didn't let the air brakes go off but the 3 horses stood like statues until it went past - Milo was the calmest of all!
I bet you (and your cows) are glad they're still out - there's plenty of wet and windy days ahead of us.
What's everyone else up to?
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« Reply #97 on: Nov 24th, 2011, 08:59am »

Liz, I can only think you arent a movie buff! River Phoenix was every girls dream in the late 80s -early 90s. Unfortunately he came to an early end outside the Viper nightclub in L A . leaving a teenage leonardo de Caprio to take his role in movies and in girls' hearts! Now please dont tell me you dont know L de caprio?! Suprisingly, these star names were ones they were Christened with,very exoyic.
Our Keanu is doing well and part of the herd he s their own 'mini me' to play with.
How funny of your horses to play hide and seek! I suppose by instinct they are open plains animals , but obviously can see the play value in the scrub!.
I too would like to know what others are doing with their horses at the moment - so lets be hearing from everyone.
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« Reply #98 on: Nov 25th, 2011, 8:49pm »

Oh you both sound to be doing lots of interesting things! Liz - you'll be getting enough patience to deal with S before too long what with all that practising with your new boy! He sounds like he's settled in with your other 2 and they are enjoying themselves - hide & seek! My little shetland once hunted my husband down behind hawthorne bushes as he knew he had a bucket - it ended in tears & mud - well for my husband at least!
Judith - I thought you were cutting back on numbers of horses?!! And here you have Keanu - he sounds wonderful - do you have pics? (FB maybe?) I think G is absolutely made for hunting and perhaps, maybe he is lost to C?
Well his lordship is onto injury no. 2 and I'm onto 2nd illness! He's cut his hock which proceeded to swell right down to his fetlock (gravity never helps!) So vet visit - antibiotics & anti inflammatories - again. This time he was not at all happy with the vet and had a proper temper tantrum - swishing of tail and stamping of feet but the needle still had to go in his backside! The same day I went home and started with a sickness bug - I blame the kind sharing of germs from my grandchildren! Luckily it only lasted 48 hours but I slept for most of them, aside from dragging myself up to make feeds with antibiotics & banana (it is the only thing which makes him eat the powders mixed in his feeds!!) I'm much better and his leg is going down. He's got to 8 with never an injury and then has 2 in the space of 8 weeks! I had only ridden 3 times since the last one and we are back to recovery time. I may eventually get to ride just as it snows!!
Well, the weather is changing - more seasonal temps & rain & wind it seems so cows and horses will no doubt be coming in for the winter. Roll on the shortest day and then daylight finally begins to expand again! Then we can look forward to spring...this time last year we had snow & freezing temps so this year is an improvement smiley
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« Reply #99 on: Nov 26th, 2011, 1:04pm »

Yes, the weather is changing , cattle will come in tomorrow , and probably Ben and Topper too. They will have the run of the indooor school plus 2 tiny looseboxes at the back. I know , Vanessa, I shouldnt have got Keanu, but he was so cheap[ the worst reason to buy!?] and seems like he might grow into a reasonable/useful sort . Thers a tiny pic of him on my facebook page if you scroll down far enough. Its not captioned.- now 2 of my friends are so envious they are scouring the websites for similar bargains. It does seem mad that its cheaper to buy a yearling, even 2 yr old then to breed one , but with stud fees , say 300 for the serve, 150 for keep fees [ and these just minimum prices] ?? for vet fees, scanning etc , plus 11 months mares keep , the figures arent adding up. Still too many have been bred and until poor quality stock arent bred it will lower the price of everything else.
I do hope you soon feel better , Vanessa, and that his lordship behaves himself and doesnt cost you more vet fees.
Exactly a year ago we moved into the attics here at Cornborough. It was the night the snow began to fall, so we were very lucky. It was enough that we had a boilier and heating working , plus electrics and water. We had none of those in the caravan!All we need now is a tarmacced road,new windows& doors in many of the buildings , a few more new fences, gates - I think this list is getting a bit long1
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« Reply #100 on: Nov 28th, 2011, 10:53am »

Just in case you readers think we are incident free here - today I witnessed both riders in front of me spooked and fallen off ! This was Charlie and Tessa. We were trotting strongly along the bridleway, turned the corner and Wills saw the bulls throught he hedge. He darted sideways too fast anda far for C to sit tight. Topper, with Tessa, was just behind Wills ,so copied him a second later. I ,on Guinness , was a few yards behind , and we just stopped dead to watch the carnage - g not following suit! Riders uninjured, but C thinks the moral is to have a neckstrap!
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« Reply #101 on: Nov 30th, 2011, 4:36pm »

Whoops - hopefully after all this rain at least it was a soft landing! At least bulls are 'worth' spooking at - Milo has decided that the 3 pet sheep in a field we pass on the way out of the village are rather scary. It's the one time I see how long his neck is when he head goes up and up and up wink

Yes, you're right Vanessa, I am learning patience in bucket loads - it's never been my strong suit, but with this chap I simply have to be quiet and patient. I hope Strider is improving, that the swelling is going down and that he's grateful to you for getting off your sickbed to take him a banana! I can remember having to scoop the innards of a Milky bar out so that I could empty a sachet of some medication into the bar and then pop the 'lid' back in place in order to get something down Fern. Are you mended now?

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« Reply #102 on: Dec 5th, 2011, 4:36pm »

Well, we have gained yet another horse! Inca has been on loan with a view to buy for over ayear , and the people have now given up trying to get the money together to buy her - cant even afford to have her. So today C went to Sheffild and brought hr back. She s never been here , but immediately knew Cameo and Polly and is now settled in with them. We now have to see how well schooled she is etc , and pwrhaps C will hunt her and find her a home.
It means we have 8 horses here , up from 3 in the early summer!Only Wills , G and Keanu come in at night, now thats its fair again. All the others out , and the ground is remarkably dry.
The hunt ended up here on Saturday. While boxes were coming for the horses and hounds C and I ended up holding three beautiful hunt horses. The smallest must have been 16.2, th e largest must have been at least 17.2. Real good show hunter sorts ,hard fit and in snaffle and cavessons , so much nicer than seeing dressage or eventing horses with all the gadgets they use. C and G had been out hunting , G getting a little stronger now he knows what its about,. However, I hacked him this morning , on our own, and he plodded along like a donkey!
It was too cold to go further than an hr s hack.
Hope everyone is doing well with thir horses?
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« Reply #103 on: Dec 12th, 2011, 12:06pm »

I know Liz has been 'leading off' her new horse , and yerst we began the same process with Inca. both yest and today i walked behind with the dog , then after a mile went off onto footpaths , leaving the horses to walk on to the next village. Guinness has taken to leading off as if he s done it many times, like anything else he just gets on with it.
A rare horse!I ve been reading about a horse of similar temperament , in a book called 'Farmers creed' , set in 1920 s , when all farm work done by horse and human power. This horse was called 'Lightnin' , he went his own pace at all times,and was quiet enough to stay on the stacks trampling them down as the grass came up , and was brought down via planks !
I know temperament can be altered , esp negaively by abuse , but realy some horses are just good and true , and yet there is no info on a stallions temperament usually - its a bit pot luck. yet good horses are worth their weight in gold.
We may have to 'bend' keanu s temperamnet - he s already a bit jaded re human contact. We ve mainly left him to it , to he wont lead from the off side and easily braces against us. He s still a colt , and is very cheeky with the big boys.
All I want for xmas is a big shed to fit four horses and some heifers. 100% no chance of that !
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« Reply #104 on: Dec 19th, 2011, 07:37am »

Hello from a frozen north yorks. We ve had no snow , but ground frozen solid....Inca has been led off three times , then Charlie rode her ,whilst I led her.On the way home the lead rope then taken off and C in control. I know we re being very cautious , but Inca has done little at the last home , so we want to build up slowly. As Liz is finding , patience is the 1 thing horsemen cannot have too much of. By spring we would expect she will know enough and be fit enough to go out in the world. If anyones interested -do let us know!
The first of my new cattle arrive today - a cow with 2 calves at foot. all these 3 are the correct breeding BBxJer, so will be three to add to the herd. The 7 little heifers will come to us in a month or so. In the future that gives us around 30 suckler cows, which will be enough.
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