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« Reply #15 on: Feb 24th, 2011, 5:15pm »

Having actually enjoyed a sunny day, blue skies and no need for a warm coat this morning when getting the horses in for breakfast it is possible to think that the summer is coming smiley

The arrival of summer of course means that the Summer Camp is getting closer. From my first two emails advising people of the dates, costs and details I've had quite a few people confirming they're coming which is great news. Judith will now be getting her thinking cap on to come up with some interesting talks and demos - ah, Judith, have I mentioned this to you? If anyone wants to volunteer to give a talk or has some ideas on what we can try and find please let either Judith or me know.

Now, my suggestion is that we organise a local race meeting and pit Alex and her handsome Spanish chap with Ann and Cal against any Yorkshire racehorses the trainer cares to name. should we run a book - does anyone know how to do that? Perhaps we could make it the 'best of 3' and that's most of the lunchtime demos sorted!

As the venue for this year's camp is new perhaps one lunch time Judith will have us all weeding the garden or planting some roses around the Grange?

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 24th, 2011, 7:00pm »

But Liz, today I ve been planting roses!
The ground is very wet but the weaather was lovely and warm today,rdoe the 3 boys early on , and this afternoon Charlie took Wills out fror 2 hours . He brought him back the last mile on a very loose rein! He has so much energy , my fat boys Guinness and Ben cant keep up with him!
I shall get going arranging talks....
I hope everyone is starting riding and enjoying their horses!
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 2nd, 2011, 3:26pm »

Re the summer camp _ I know people have been looking for us via Google earth. However, both Google earth and all sat navs pinpoint the postcode[ YO60 6QL] to our neighbours farm ,Mill Hill farm.
Our farm , should you want to see it , on google earth is 'above' and slightly to the left of Mill Hill.More trees around the garden , and lines of earth where it was redrained just behind the farm stead.
We have now finished our months walking , and beginning trotting up hills. Guinness puffs along beside Ben!
As an experiment we are trying an English hackamore on Wills , and it seems to work very well. He doesnt mind the nose pressure , or being given the aids via the nosepiece. He just dislikes bits , and we have tried most types! Sweet iron , ordinary,cheek piece,Fulmer snaffles, Happy mouth,swivel action snaffle, but the only way to get him to be still in his mouth is to not put anything in there! When we got him he d been used to a Waterford , and has wear on the teeth where he has been held in! Still he s such an extreme forward going horse Im not suprised the riders resorted to a bit like that.

One of our 'long term 'students has just entered the terrible world of looking at horses for sale. Mine field doesnt even come close to describing what this can be like. If you have a particular breed [ or in our case colour and type] in mind it is even harder. Anyone out there got a particularly bad story to tell?
After twice spending years looking for a coloured show cob I have to say many sellers were economical with the truth and hoped they could lie their way into a sale!
My golden rules would be
1 always vet a horse , even a youngster
2 beware dealers , and dealers pretending they arent dealers.
3beware a newly washed horse [ it might have been ridden into the ground before you arrived]
4discount any horse which doesnt immediately 'speak' to you. Often we persuade ourselves things are ok , when our instincts are warning us that somethings not quite correct
5discount any horse with an ongoing medical condition eg sweet itch, sacoids,melanoma,arthritis,etc etc etc. See number 1 above!
6 do not ever buy a horse because you feel sorry for him
7 do not buy a horse if things go wrong when you first sit on him - it ll only get worse.
8 Be cynical about the seller - if they are genuine they ll answer any questions happily and patiently. Its the peope with something to hide that rry to rush you into a decision .
Genuine horses are out there, but arent often for sale. Above all - Good luck!
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 3rd, 2011, 3:00pm »

I think if you have looked for a horse ever that is not one you already know of it is a minefield. I adore Duke but he isn't my shopping list horse! He is teaching me so much but I had expected to buy a ready made been there done that horse. On the open market they are few and far between! They don't get sold on adverts; they get passed on by word of mouth.

My views are;

1 If it jumps over the stable door and bolts up the field, don't bother to wait whilst the owner catches it! (yes this happened);

2 Be prepared to be comprehensively sworn at when you say sorry this isn't for me ;Fiona Foy who also did a lot of door slamming too;

3 If you view the horse in a stable and are to try it in an arena be suspect if only one other horse is out at the far end of the arena. Ask if that's it's field mate and also ask if they will move the horse as you will find it probably won't go down that end without it's pal there. Fiona Foy again!

4 If the tacks on ask them to take it off and put it back on whilst you watch.

5 Looking at the tack ask them to ride it with no gadgets if they are on

6 be prepared to lose the money!

7 if buying from abroad get a reputable English "dealer" to help you so that the horse you think you have bought is the one that turns up! (local man thought he had bought a pure Spanish stallion and a part bred mare with poor conformation turned up);

8 Be prepared to put in re-schooling!

Back to the camp. We have had some interesting info from the trimmer which included gait analysis by a slow motion camera. A casio does this apparently but sadly I don't have one. I am going to look into any software that maybe will convert ordinary video. Could we have a lunch time session on gait analysis and then talk/discussion of what exercises to use to improve it? shocked shocked
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 4th, 2011, 09:39am »

I think gait analysis might be a good lunchtime session.
I endorse all your points on buying a horse!
And I m sure there ar eplenty of other good rules to follow. Even professional horse people can get caught out. One of the best known show hunter producers bought a horse in Ireland , and the one that stepped out of the horsebox was ahand smaller and a different sex!
Luckily that didnt happen with Guinness! But all the dodgyness/damaged horses/ignorance/lack of skill made me more sure to get an unbacked 3 yr old , and I certainly dont regret that. G is a very sane horse, and hopefully he ll stay that way!
Its Equitana this month. We went there about 10 years ago - a show quite unlike any of ours. The displays of trick riding , liberty, etc were excellent , and I see F Pignon is there this year. The parades of stallions are also good. Of course they dont have show classes like we do, its just western,dressage and jumping. Perhaps next year we could get a trip up and all go?
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 4th, 2011, 11:32am »

A group outing sounds good!
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« Reply #21 on: Mar 8th, 2011, 9:21pm »

I think a group outing would be good - 'hot frog' in Coventry, seems to be the only company organising coach travel there [ I assume coach travell - site didnt really say anything!]

The fields are dry enough for my spring tractor jobs - rolling and harrowing. Of course new fields this year - and less of them! Could only roll 1/2 of the boys' field, as they have cut it badly. Another few days and it ll be dry enough to finish. C has been on the Matbro pulling up trees and rubbish in prep for new fencing. We have various sizable tree trunks - jumps anyone?
I m now riding Guinnness on hacks - leaving ben at home! The roads , tho newly tarmaced, are so slippy all the horses slide a lot. G likes to get onto the grass to stay upright! I find him quite downhill after Ben , tho not as much as last year. As he strengthens he ll come up more. He s a long way off the showring yet !
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« Reply #22 on: Mar 8th, 2011, 9:25pm »

I should have said 'hoofing about' which is on the 'hot frog' travel umbrella. I see their equitana ad has gone for this year but I could get in touch to se if they difinitely do it!
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 11th, 2011, 09:21am »

The odd bright day does get you wanting to be out and about. The hacking is not working at the yard which is tragic. I went there to get accompanied hacking but there are now staff problems and it just doesn't seem to be happening. After Easter holidays when horses definitely out all day I should be able to get out at least a couple of times a week. The Lady down the road wants a sensible companion to hack with and I am hoping that with her we can arrange a regular accompanied hack. She is of certain years and so is more trustworthy than the whipper-snappers! Duke is very good if he is accompanied. We are wandering about the drive with the Spanish mare whom he loves. He will go part way on his own and we are just working on that. I take him in hand at the moment. further but the weather keeps getting in the way.

I am working on his balance in canter on-line and that I hope will improve his straightness ridden. He doesn't have major problems but I am just enjoying getting it right I hope!

He is using his neck better now and I am learning so much about cavalletti work from him. I was showing The Spanish mare's owner the raised pole work we had been doing at her request as she has muscle wastage due to poor saddle fitting and I was so surprised at how green the mare is considering what she does and achieves at the breed show. I am told how much she loves jumping and how well she is trained to go over jumps but she wasn't going over one pole in balance! The owner was shocked and I must say so was I. Sadly she had been put off natural a while ago but did say after our session that she would like to give it another go. She is spending 40 a lesson to ride the horse to get the hind legs "under" and then saw that this is possible from the ground, purer, in the first few steps! She didn't offer me 40 though!

FREYA'S 21st party is being planned (how did i get so old?) actually now by Andy and Vicki, and Andy has suggested a vodka luge which sounds fun. What about one for a lunch time session if we don't have enough speakers?? kiss
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 15th, 2011, 8:48pm »

Alex, i hope your hacking' partner' works out well. These days with all the traffic a horse needs to be 100% , even if [ as we had] tarmac lorries one side and a strimmer man behind a hedge on the other! Guinness only has a mini 'eeek' moment , and then recovers instantly. After the strimmer man we had 2 ducks flying out of a ditch just beside us- another eek moment, i was more shocked than him!
Wills has discoverd he can lean onto the hackamore , leaving C workin g quite hard o slow his paces. Guinness refuses to hurr along just to saty with him , and Wills hates not striding along at his quickest. Otherwsie the hackamore is perfect, he doesnt 'fight' the hackamore and remains so much calmer. However, should C wish to re enter the dressage or showing world with him , he would have to wear a bit. In fact Willls true metier would be team chasing.....
In a magazine[ i m not saying which] this month, theres a terrible article , purporting to be classical priciples etc. The horse s side reins are so tight he is badly over bent and breaking badly at the 2nd/3rd vertebra. So much for classical ! Do these 'experts' have any idea - do they see this exaggerated head carriage as desirable, or is it just so prevelant no one [except us N H ers] see anything wrong?
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« Reply #25 on: Mar 16th, 2011, 09:19am »

rest assured that all at the PK clinic were firmly against this over flex and so are those going to Gerd. Slowly ,slowly more horses' owners are seeing the light. The important thing is to write/ offer articles to this mag explaining the damage and why not to do it.

I saw another example of it yesterday at the yard from a visiting instructor. A young stallion from outside which had been driven up from Harwich for the lesson. It got very overwrought and refused to go forward with head up after being over bent for a while and the instructor got the rider to beat it forward with her whip. The doors were closed at this point but Duke did not like the bits he saw and heard as we were riding in the indoor at that point.

Meanly, I had asked the yard owner to move the instructor to outside as it was starting to rain and about 4 liveries had turned up to ride. A more sympathetic instructor I would not have asked to move but I don't care about her!

We are hacking out on Thursday so long as no fog which we have a lot of this week. Duke is the colour of fog so not very sensible to be out in it. I then will be away in the Phillipines for a week and will be very cross if it's good hacking weather.

I have been working on Duke's snatching of the reins nad seem to be getting there. One of the other liveries commented that they could see how you have to ride Duke every step and laughed at his antics. He stopped twice in the same place as the YO was putting down the security doors and then someone came for a chat. Ther after he tried to stop there everytime and wiggled when not allowed to. He is great fun to get right and I learning something each time.

Great ride on Whisper at the weekend!
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 16th, 2011, 6:16pm »

An update on the Summer Camp cheesy

So far 10 people have signed up to join in the fun albeit one lady is only joining us for the weekend but maybe she'll want to stay longer when it comes to it!

Judith has been beavering away looking for speakers/demos for us but I still think that a tour of the racing yard and finishing with a race up their all-weather gallops is my favourite. Alternatively, if we could swap a vodka luge for a melted chocolate luge......

I'm organising glorious weather for July for that part of Yorkshire - not too hot, no rain or wind, just a gentle breeze.

if anyone else wants to come along it's not to late to sign up - drop me a line off group if you want a booking form.

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« Reply #27 on: Mar 29th, 2011, 07:15am »

In weather like this the summer camp doesnt seem far away! The fields are quite hard now , but most not securely fenced, shall be finished by July!
we took Guinness to a local show on Sunday. it proved to be a busier show than last year , as there were stallion gradings and evaluations , as well as show classes. We didnt enter G in a class , as he s never cantered in smallish circles [ the rings were small ] , and we want him to associate shows with a pleasant experience![ Ben never enjoyed his 'job' as a show horse, having been overshown as a 4yr old. When we got him , I was amazed at this Mr hyde character tha appeared as soon as the ramp came down!]
Well I neednt have worried, G walked or stood as required , and was chilled the whole time. C rode him first, then I had a sit on him. He d not minded being bathed , and loaded and travelled well. Is this the perfect showing horse?! Of course, his comformation isnt as good as his temperament , otherwise I d be flying !
WE also have to show our 2 yr old 17hh bay filly, in hunter/sports horse youngstock. C thinks he cant run fast enough with her for a trot up, but we ll give it a go starting at the end of May.
The farm is altering again , all leylandii trees removed , and the garden /orchard being leveled. The fencers are here intermittently, they know we want it done to get the cows out.A new bull came yeaterday, a young Limmy called Eric bristow. Not being a darts fan Im not keen on the name, but as long as he does his job.....
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« Reply #28 on: Apr 7th, 2011, 5:21pm »

What super weather! Our field has now changed from mushy wellie-grabbing mud almost to concrete - typical clay! But we've fenced off a bit of our paddock and did some liberty with each horse over the weekend - first time they've been asked anything 'serious' since October and they were both stars!

We're taking Grumps out for a walk once or twice a week now - well, when I say we're walking, I mean muggins is walking and David is riding Claude. We introduced the concept of 'ride and lead' to them yesterday. Actually both were quite good but David's arm simply wasn't long enough to cope with Claude's military march and Grumps' dawdling amble smiley But I hope with practice they'll get the hang of it.

But it reminded me that the Summer Camp is looming ever closer. Judith - will you have got the indoor pool ready by then as I'm working on fine weather for us?

Does anyone have any queries about the Camp? Don't hesitate to drop me a line off group if I can help (liz@receptional.com)

We've got 10 people for the full 4 days plus possibly one or two joining us for the weekend which is an ideal sized group.

Enjoy the weather chaps! What's everyone else doing?
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« Reply #29 on: Apr 13th, 2011, 09:12am »

I m working on itinerary for the camp, trying to get lunchtime speakers pinned down, things for the evenings etc. Also, getting the cottage finished! C has been putting the kitchen units together, and theres so much fiddly bits to attend to!
The cattle fields, including fields for camp and horsepens are now escape proof. This is needed, because Eric has turned into a showjumper....he jumped a 4foot gate to avoid the T B test vet , landing on big bale straw,,,,which he ran across and jumped in with the incalf heifers. vet wisely decided to not try and test him ,. On return visit a similar occurance - Eric this time jumped into a big bale feeder ,then out agin. Very nimble for a bull. But too nervous to be trustworthy, so whether he settles and becomes a member of the herd is undecided!
Guinness had his first solo hack , which Tessa relished as a nice challenge , as G quite a different horse! not that he was naughty, just a little uncooperative, wanting to return to his pals. We now need to school him better for the show ring. Default mode is still lean to onto the bit and yaw against it [not usually, just when he decides to not listen] and he needs to wear a double in the ring. so well begin with a jointed pelham, and get him used to that. He s still not been in an arena since last Sept , so schooling and mouthing will be concurrent!
The fold yard is the cattle maternity ward at present, but by May we hope to clear it out and make the indoor school- I miss doing liberty, and G needs it. Like a horse I worked with yesterday, he is a little 'long' and making him work correctly at liberty will strengthen his back and shorten his frame. These 'long' horses appear lazy at times, but their conformation just makes it that much more difficult to 'round up'. Of course , a too rounded up horse, like Wills , is like sitting on a time bomb! A happy medium is what we need!
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