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« Reply #75 on: Mar 11th, 2010, 09:00am »

Wanaka is where the airport it with the WW2 aircraft my Godson's Dad flies. I wonder if the show is on the airfield? It would be interesting to know what classes there are in this show and see whether they bear any resemblance to ours.

Gosh, that is exactly why I hate going out with a group of people, there is always one who gallops when the rest just want to canter. It is no good asking your horse to slow down because the blood is up and you just end up by having a useless tug of war. I think you are very brave indeed to have gone along with the flat out ride. I am also fully aware of the limits to one's fitness - or lack of - there comes a point at which you think 'I can't carry on any longer' but somehow you do.

It is always a great experience to look back on though and something you will never forget. Did you get attacked by leeches/giant spiders/biting things in the rain forest? and what are the wildlife hazards for the horses out there?

Just this second heard that Mrs Lockyer is a Granny!
It is a little girl.

Have fun both, and keep us posted.
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« Reply #76 on: Mar 12th, 2010, 8:37pm »

The classes were a mix - the only show classes were 'hack around the ring ', which looked like a riding club horse class. There was a jump or two in this class too! There was a great deal of showjumping - all day main ring , pony show jumping , and later the equivilent of gymkhana games. 1 interesting thing is that 'outline' and 'contact' was very different to ours. Horses had much more of a natural head carriage , low and long. I suppose the uk dressagy people would criticise this , but I m sure the horses are much happier. On the trek this was also the case , and at whatever pace the horses ears were hardly any higher than wither height. Used to Ben with all that neck and shoulder ahead of me , I felt very vulnerable !
WE ve been i tack shops , and visited tack stalls at the shows , and their choice is very limited, which is no bad thing! Bits are fulmers , egg butts or dutch gags. Few choices for bridles or saddle s [ tho many have flash attachment and are China made], no supplements ,no bandages [ a few medical ones maybe],no 'designer' rugs or clothes , everything utilitarian ! Probably like a uk tack shop in 1960s! But you can buy shoes and nails over the counter. And lots of harness racing equipment - trotting racing big here , hence so many standard bred trekking horses . Like our racing tbs , theres a lot of wastage from the track.
We were having a ride tomorrow with Kathies friend , but she was bucked off one of the horses yesterday, and has discovered the other one is in foal! So we may risk another trek, this time near Glenorchy ,where some of the LOTR 'riders of Rohan' bits were filmed.
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« Reply #77 on: Mar 14th, 2010, 8:13pm »

Have been for our second trek, this time around the LOTR country at Glenorchy.Agin I had the pacing horse and C the young one! However, canters meant just that , although there was no control over the horse, he knew when to go and when to stop. Trying to control speed [ all these canters were on narrow paths in a wiggly line around shrubs etc!] by standing in stirrups and holding on[!] only served to speed the horse, Trevor, up, so had to just sit back and give head completely. In my mind I can do this , but nerves do play tricks, an d I felt my arms and hands rising as we bucketed along.....
So I was thinking less of being a rider of Rohan and more of 'where has my nerve gone?'
By this time next week we ll be back at home , all being well. Lots to get back too, with youngsters to 'finish', C to teach loads [ always begins with spring!], farm to get its spring clean/tidy, and so on. Whisper, Inca,Wills to slowly get fitter and out on the roads again. Guinness to keep ticking over , and hope he grows outwards and not up! Foxy to show , cameo and hen/etta to sell.After a long break like this I m looking forward to being back, and should have batteries recharged to get on with the work....
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« Reply #78 on: Mar 19th, 2010, 7:42pm »

shocked Amazing to hear of your riding. I went on a seemingly quiet hack in Wyoming through the Aspen forest and we only walked and trotted . I cannot imagine cantering it!!!! I need to push on my riding out but would I be up to that?

grin I have got back in grip ( light hands! ) with Duke. really, with hind sight I can see what I gained from the difficult trad lesson. I think we would have had this conversation at some point and the opportunity to then work it out for myself has taught me so much. As I walk a different path at the livery yard I had to show that I could walk the walk not just talk the talk. Thank goodness I am alive to tell the tale! We are back to quiet walk and trot and indeed improved. I can bore for Europe on what I am getting out of this situation. I realise I need to chunk my audiences.......

Tilly willy benefited yesterday from my fantastic Mother's Day pressie - a second hand 10 old fashioned lunge line and my cavalleties. The line is lighter than the ropes but not as light as the type now on sale. Gosh that pony can move and when listening is such fun.

Terrible local welfare problem of a field of horses which I got into by surprise yesterday. 20 mins to cut a horse out of its' rug including needing to part it from alot of its' tail. Negotiations now in place to try to rehome/ take in lieu of monies owed/ and sell in such a way that the horses get a benefit and to assess one that may need to be PTS has taken up alot of the day. Does anyone have any experience of facial abcesses? One has had Rossdales intervention but it is still oozing. The horse is outside in mud on no grass and no-one has continued the after care. There is a chance of someone taking it on but they want to know more about the condition and if an abcess in the face has a chance of recovery. Any thoughts?

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« Reply #79 on: Mar 20th, 2010, 10:05am »

I have no experience of facial abscesses, so am of little use in this situation. However, I have seen the abscesses in strangles first hand under the chin and they were bathed in hibiscub and warm water and when the abscess ceased, they healed over perfectly but with a bit of loss of hair.

I am very sorry about the welfare issue you describe. It is heartbreaking. I do so hope the horses can be rehomed. If not, contact the WHW. We have a cruelty case on our yard at the moment. This poor horse has been incarcerated in filthy conditions since September last year. It has navicular and is about as lame as it is possible to imagine. The yo was told and the horse was cleaned up. This is about as much as he could reasonably do., however, someone called the RSPCA without telling the yo. and all hell was let loose.

The RSPCA have done little to alter the situation but nevetheless, this is not the issue. The horse has food, is reasonably clean and has fresh water. There is no consideration given to the mental welfare of the horse.

The owner knows the horse should be put down. She couldnt care less about him, but will not take the responsibility of having him put down.

Yesterday I saw the horse being led in. It was probably his second time of being out since September. The owner was on the mobile phone pulling this cripple along. He couldnt go any faster as he was so lame. It made my blood boil. For the first time since this all blew up I could have killed her.

This is what I term cruelty. Letting this poor sod suffer like this. If the RSPCA is called again then the fact remains that he still has water, food and is now reasonably clean and nothing will change.

I think it is about time that the whole yard got together to face up to the yo and tell him that either she is told to go or the horse is put down. But how does one do this without the advice of a Vet? Is it a reasonable request? It is very difficult, but something now needs to be done.

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« Reply #80 on: Mar 20th, 2010, 6:37pm »

There are 2 horses on the yard without owners currently which have been there since before I came. They share Duke's carrots etc. and I always just spend a few minutes with them. If turn out is limited then of course they are bottom in the order. Such darlings. I see how rescue centrres become too full. However, these 2 have a chance of owners and therefore best if they stay.

I have received the breeding details of the horses but have no idea how to copy onto here. They are fairly organised in their breeding. I can send e-mail onto anyone who can comment. I am not looking for interest in them.

Discussing them with Freya on my very long trip to Durham and back today (!!!!!!!) I did say that so far as neglect goes they are not that bad. Remember, they are as a herd, outside but have rugs,although some have taken them off, water, hay and I believe some food and pooh picking. Really, its just the 1 and the change in economic climate.affecting the owner. He is in contact and discussing them.

In the yard there is a far worse caring situation in the sense of appalling riding but no lack of love from the owner that is so difficult for everyone else there. How to engage him in a conversatio about it? . I rode for the first time with him a couple of days ago and even I couldn't start a dialogue about kicking on and yanking back the rein at the same time. Has my rhino hide developed by being the youngest of 4 girls failed with age? My task for next week I think.

BTW; George just answered the phone and declared it was the "sperm doner" ; apparently he and his friends now refer to their dads as this and I am the egg donor !!!!!

Remember Taildragger to put yourself in the YO shoes and think what will persuade him to set limits for this girl whilst maintaining your relationship with him. not easy.

I have managed to lure another livery owner to the dark side and she is now well into ground work but is still seeing it as a seperate thing to riding. I think though that she is seeing such a benefit that I may have convinced her to do a bit first and then ride.

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« Reply #81 on: Mar 23rd, 2010, 10:16am »

I guess the downside of livery yards is an insight to what others consider to be acceptable behaviour.

What breeding are those two horses Alex? And size? I'm vaguely looking out for a 16.2hh ID for myself, no hurry and some of the household authorities still need to be fully convinced!

Are you home yet Judith? If not, it must be any day now? I'm expecting a long debrief on all the fun you've had - did 'Imself climb every mountain? Where all the animals pleased to see you back?
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« Reply #82 on: Mar 23rd, 2010, 3:09pm »

Here we are - trying to recover - my clock in particular is so off - woke at 1 am , and hardly slept after that!
I d hoped to come back to spring , but everything still wintery ,in that the grass is a miserable colour, no daffs or even hawthorn buds!
I m not sure the animals were pleased to see us.....Fiona , after an early escape by Trudie, learnt to keep close watch on her ....within 15 mins of getting back both dogs went off , and Trudie crossed the road at catter bridge - they know the dog quite well!
Horse wise , they look so fat and hairy! Took them out yest , and Inca played up after her month off - this was being led then lunged! So C is repeating the exercise now.
He is getting booked up with horses coming for backing - first one comes on Fri! Lessons also start then, and we ll get a break in August/Sept!Until then it ll be every day busy.

Reading the posts . I am saddened by the not good things happening in yards , no doubt repeated in their hundreds around the country. I wish I had an answer, havent even got a strategy ; its pathetic of the rspca not to take action when a horse is suffering. If the navicular is so bad , the vet should take action also. Its unacceptable to leave any animal in pain , especially if theres no end in sight.

I was sent a link of a Top N H er dispensing phase 4 in a long and unneccessary way. Although there are times when phase 4 is needed [ I always have Ben in mind - how hard would be to rude behaviour?], but there were other ways to move the horse backwards - eg stick/lash to the stuck spot - chest and shoulder , that werent even attempted. In fact these days for horses so unmannerly we d initially sort it out at liberty , then our arms etc dont get pulled about.

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« Reply #83 on: Mar 23rd, 2010, 6:14pm »

Time clocks are dodgy things. I find it difficult.

Today I spent watching a Myler bit clinic at the yard. In every case Dale Myler asked the rider to lenghten the rein. I was left wondering if they had done this for long enough with any bit / ground work first similar results would have been reached. However, I do think they are very good and every horse made a change. The staff commented in quiet discussion how often the riders need lessons and the difficulty of persuading people that change needs time. One lady had a lot of fun we all laughed all the time but when talking later she said that there was no way she could allow her horse to be ridden like that in the competition ring!!!!!! I am pleased to say the spectators pounced on her and in a lovely teasing discussion convinced her to let go in the competition. Her non riding husband backed us up.

I thought the head shaking had settled but yesterday Duke was atrocious. Eventually I boughtt a full head mask and applied bongela to his nostrils. It worked! Looks stupid but hey so do I in jodpurs.

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« Reply #84 on: Mar 24th, 2010, 07:56am »

I think with the bitting , a person with good hands can ride in any bit and the horse renains comfy , but people seem to be taught from scratch to have a 'contact' , which means they never have an independent seat or light hands. And dressage has compounded this. So perhaps , as most people find changing their habits too difficult , a 'better' bit is at least some relief. Its the same with bridles - have you come across a ' Comfort' bridle -has a crankback /flash comination....but the word comfort gives the rider all he/she needs to think it ll be fine for the horse.
Its a real uphill struggle `!
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« Reply #85 on: Mar 24th, 2010, 7:15pm »

Hi Judith, welcome home. It is rare that my blood gets up when looking at horses for sale, but on Horsequest, Show Horses, there is the most achingly beautiful Top Class Maxi Cob Grey Gelding 9y.o (at a mere 12.5k!) Have a look. I want him.

I have also found under 'County Level' and ad headed 'urgent, urgent, urgent sale' of three very nice horses. It is the chestnut, Sunset Trend' that I have my eye on. I wonder how much they want for him? If I had my own place, I would probably chance that one.

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« Reply #86 on: Mar 28th, 2010, 11:16am »

Even in New Zealand I regularly logged on to horsequest , cobs and coloureds , and Adhorse, yes, there are some super show horses up for sale ....just the time to start your county level string for 2010 [ if you ve very deep pockets]
Our first 'to back' horse came on Fri. She is a 4 yr old Welsh cob, with all the attributes of the breed! Was like Alex s Tilly all over agin! They have such fire in their bellies! This girl was definitely of the 'I wont' variety [ I did liberty with her ,knowing with the attitude she has Charlie might get his arms pulled ....], and when cross I was given a whoile host of behaviours - she pawed the ground , kicked out , did a lot of 'Flehmann-ing ', tried to bite me. And refused to follow; what I came up with was moving her h/qs way from about 10 foot away, until she wouls take a step towards me. I succeeded on the left rein , on the right she would leave immediately , rather than yield the leg away. So what I d intended as a short session lasted around 45 mins!
So often mental and physical strength go hand in hand - this filly would trot for England!
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« Reply #87 on: Mar 30th, 2010, 07:55am »

grinExciting morning! We are off to go to get Duke so he can be in Clavering for the Easter break. Not great weather forcast at all though so challenging towing. Gary has a week off and is coming with me - not sure how helpful this will be but hey ho it is a husband and a horse together in a space so may work. I will be doing all the driviing -how did this happen?

I had a lovely day at Jenny Rolfe's doing her top to toe breathing. It really maded a difference and I am looking forward to the next few weeks here at home trying it out. I found I got alot out of it due to the amount of Alexander Technique I had done. It fitted perfectly. The idea is to energise the core more but honestly my legs felt energised for a couple of days after even with the long long drive back from Devon. Met lovely people there and all but one on a natural journey and the one is now!!!!

Jenny's use of breathing to wotk the stallions loose was very intersting but I would have put more of our type of liberty ini. Get that book going Judith as she is keen to incorporate your work. Remeber she has worked this out for herself and is open to conversations. A thoroughly nice woman and her husband Barry would be useful in anyone's toolbox!

As duke hates wind and rain and damp he is going to be a bit challenging to bring home. De- sentisizing high on the aganda I think.

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« Reply #88 on: Mar 31st, 2010, 09:13am »

I hope you have a nice holiday-at-home with Duke.
Re the LEAFLET , once we get some nice weather piccies will be taken then it should all come together , but its not a long opus!Its the beginnings of the liberty work , rather than the fancy stuff

One of C s regular students has had a bad time with her horse. It took not just xrays but a bone scan to discover her horse had cracked/fractured all down the side of his face. he ll be off for many months.
This was caused by a simple accident ; he d been tied up to string , but with a nylon headcollar whilst owner went back for something. he then got the headcollar caught on a piece of metal in the stable and pulled back. The headcollar did not break , but his skull did. I cant believe headcollars are so strong. Apparently everyone on her yard now has leather head collars....
The ironic thing is that she put bits of string on our rings in the yard here - we hadnt bothered because our lime mortar is so soft the whole rings just fall out.

2 of C s students are looking for horses , and 1 recently bought one [ who has not turned out totally trouble free] One of the your horse questions to answer this month is
Golden Rules when buying a horse so you dont make a mistake. [ I wish it was that easy!]
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« Reply #89 on: Mar 31st, 2010, 4:49pm »

Gosh, how really awful. Sadly there is a popular misconception about tying baler twine to rings or fences - this dates back to when the old-fashioned twine was used, thin rope, not the polypropylene stuff we use today which - as that owner now knows - is incredibly strong stuff.

What's the update Alex - did Duke and the trailer both arrive safe and sound or had he modified it during the trip home?

Vanessa - what's your news, you've been very quiet - has the grandchild had the op yet? What's happening on the job front? Are you joining us in the summer with little 'goody two shoes'!?
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