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« Reply #120 on: May 29th, 2010, 08:22am »

Duke grunts only when he poohs and particularly when ridden. Indeed he cannot relax when ridden if he needs to pooh until he has done it. He cannot wee under saddle and I would think the diaphragm is central to this. We were commenting on how short a time it was that he had difficulty poohing under saddle and now how much he has relaxed into it.

He has grown again and had his saddle checked on Friday. The saddle fitter's initial comment was "Good Grief, it doesn't fit!" Andy says he has not seen a horse change so much so quickly and is going to make a case study of him. When he saw how his back flexed whilst he had a scratch he was amazed. Short answer is he is making some adjustments to the flocking and is going to have to shim the numnah at the back as his shoulders have really come up whilst the back continues to develop. We are worried we are blocking it as the saddle is. I know he is changing as I can feel it but I had hoped he would last in his saddle at least 6 months!!!!!

We are quietly hacking out only at walk and accompanied by a staff member. Our last hack was horrid due to the supposedly quiet horse we went with having one of those days! Mr riding improved pretty d**n quick I can tell you. No spinning in the road allowed!

I shall go back to ground work until the saddle comes back. He will have a week off for half term anyway.

I am working on squeeze and getting him onto different surfaces in trust. Any suggestions?
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« Reply #121 on: May 29th, 2010, 1:12pm »

Re squeeze - the green green balls are good for that!
I made a little course in our indoor area, for the \luso [ he doesnt load well] - he had to squeeze between 2 bales , go over a rug ,go between the side and a pole then between the ball and the side. Obviously i did this bit by bit , then all at once. A N Z type rug is better then an indoor one! Its suprising how many horses dislike having to step on a rug.
A few balloons on the top of electric fence posts , making a narrow lane is another good squeeze. Or little flags.

Its a pity the 'schoolmaster' has turned out not to be steady- the last thing you need is a non school master setting a bad example!

Charlie taught someone today who would like to buy a genuine, not too ploddy, not too sharp ,suitable for a novice horse. They must exist!![ I should be cloning Ben and Guinness ]
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« Reply #122 on: Jun 5th, 2010, 09:17am »

Have had a very busy week.
Currently there are 9 horses here that are 'extra' - some to be schooled , others on holiday, still the neighbours 2 laminitics .
One to be backed is the most gorgeous boy - a dead ringer for Landseers 'The Blacksmith' horse - bright bay and stunning. LIke many handsome boys he is well aware of his own beauty , and has been quite spoiled. But he is intelligent and picks things up in 1 lesson. Already he is wearing all the tack, and soon C will be leaning over him.
Today the haylage will be baled - unlikely it ll be wrapped before the rain tomorrow ....all fingers crossed it gets done. Good fodder for the winter is essential! We are stillusing last year s first crop , beautiful stuff. Some of these 'in' horses are inside overnight, othersduring the day , so we still get through the bales ok. Also, once they get musty they are pushed across the passage to the 3 cattle inside. Our bull has not improved , so we re anxious as to whether he ll get better at all. He seems worse if anything , and no doubt will have to have the vet again. Finding safe and 'good getter' bulls is nearly as hard as finding safe horses!

Whats everyone doing? We d hoped to watch the show classes at Bramham , and retail therapy for me! , but we have had visitors both in house [ relatives, who took me out to se chuches,abbeys etc and do some drawing] and people in the cottage for rides on NYM and lessons with C.
WE ran out of pens , and their horses had 'ordinary' stables .
Our good old loan horse Whisper has returned home , the young girls miss her leadership. Inca now has responsibitity of the herd , and it worries her! We are still keeping boys and girls separate, though they flirt like mad over the fence.
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« Reply #123 on: Jun 6th, 2010, 10:53am »

Well, after a lovely sojourn chez Wilson, Whisper is back in Clavering and making her position as herd leader felt. I think she thinks it is a poor bunch - only 2 to boss around! I know she is back as I can hear her in the water trough. I enjoyed a re-bonding yesterday by giving her mane and tail a thorough wash which she loved and lots of hosing on the so hot day. I have had to trim off her feathers as she has a couple of sore patches probably from buttercup allergy as we have very few here. They are all in my flower beds. I am using sudocrem and/or MSM cream but if anyone has any better advice I would welcome it. I think Whisper has slept the rest of this past week.

My immediate problem now is a total lack of saddles! I have had 2 saddle fitting sessions and still no fitting saddle. I have seen on the internet that Ideal do a H&c for extra wide horses and the saddle exchange make saddles for extra wide horses. Both Whisper and Tilly fall into this category. I would love to get only one saddle but I want to ride the girlies together. I was loaned a barefoot but it just spun on both so you could not get on. Heather Moffats are tooo expensive. So frustrating. But I was proud of myself in getting on Tilly for the first time in a while to try the saddles and listening to her when she said she didn't like the saddle. I didn't either but She was not able to stop as she was running from it. The next one put me oon my fork and dug into her shoulder.

Whilst this is going on I am working on behaviour on the ground with Tilly and taking them both over cavalletti poles in hand at walk. This is really paying off for both. I am teaching Tilly to change gaits to the voice and particularly looking at her downward transitions. Past early training consistently shows itself in unwanted ways and I am being tested in sorting it learning so much as usual. I wish she hadn't been chased over jumps - that is taking a lot of time to sort in hand. I am getting very good at stepping over my poles!!!!

I am also paying attention to how I bring them in - Tilly has separation problems so I am bringing them up to the yard in differing combinations and taking baby steps in expanding her bubble.

I am looking forward to resuming my hacking on Duke next week but family life seems to be getting in the way. I have to go to an Hawaiian hen do in Southampton taking 3 generations with me. I think I must have a curmudgeon gene as I am so not looking forward to it. Forced jollity and no horses or dogs!

Well, that's me talked up to date. Anyone?

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« Reply #124 on: Jun 6th, 2010, 9:22pm »

Well......

In between responding to the family who for various reasons have been quite demanding recently, I have been doing a weekly session of liberty with Pippin as the ground has dried out and we have concrete instead of mud!

Pippin is a dominant, rising 4 NF pony. Very pretty, intelligent and going for herd leadership, although I am still not sure she will displace Chelsea. Very funny to watch and never getting too heated, it's rather like a political debate. A few days ago with a flick of her tail she stopped Chelsea in her tracks retaining control over her empty feed bowl. She held her position for a few minutes then moved neatly sideways putting me between herself and Chelsea!

Liberty with Pippin is really good fun. She is as responsive as Chelsea and learns very quickly although her level of cooperation during sessions varies. Poppy on the other hand still looks at me as if I am mad grin but she is doing pretty well with her basic yields and is going forward nicely ridden around our land in a halter. She has also hacked out several times now with a friend riding David's horse, Libby, for company. Poppy copes exceptionally well with the traffic on the A47 although we do that part on foot - just in case!
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« Reply #125 on: Jun 8th, 2010, 10:43am »

Hello All
Thank you for your kind words and thoughts - my grandaughter is doing ok after her op but she's now encased in a cast from under her arms with just her little tos poking out the bottom. This will be renewed on 1 July (entails an anaesthetic again) and that cast will saty on a further 6 weeks before removal then a 'harness' for another 12 weeks. She has recovered well but is a tad cranky as her movement is so restricted but hopefully her hips will stay where they should be, all being well...
Actually I think S and I will be off to join the circus very soon! He has added another evasive 'trick' to his repertoire! shocked On sunday we had a session together and although he was a bit 'antsy' being ridden doing transitions, rein changes etc he did do it after short time on groundwork. We walked through some poles but the fun started when I asked him to walk over 3 poles - he went over the 1st, stopped dead at the 2nd - struck it with his front leg and then dropped to his knees, snaking his head in pure temper! huh to say I was dumbfounded is an understatement but I managed to stay on him for what seemed like ages (but probably wasn't!) and got him up on all 4 feet and walked forward - he kicked back at the 3rd pole for good measure and then tried to bite my legs - amazingly I was still in the saddle! I did get a few forward strides but then decided, discretion being the better part of valour! and him a very cross bunny that I would dismount myself rather than exiting care of S! I put him back on the line, ran up my stirrups, twisted up the reins and made him go over the offending poles on both reins at walk and trot - of course we had the obligatory run at me but I was ready for that and sent him on! grin He went over the poles after giving his usual signal that he was giving in, a toss of the head and then the ears forward and the poles were done beautifully. After making him go back, I called it a day. Of course I have been the butt of my husband's 'circus' jokes ever since - he had to have been there (doesn't often visit me at the yard..) to witness S's new antics. The following day I resisted the temptation to enter the 'big top' and put the young lad on S - of course he treated him to a 'spanish walk' striking out with front legs but lad had been briefed and pushed him forward, so no throwing himself on his knees - after about 10 minutes of pure resistance, teeth snapping at lad's legs, more spanish walk, bunny hops and back leg kicking, S gave in and then we got lovely movement, transitions and a positive bounce over the ground poles grin What a character he is - he taxes me, just when I thought we were getting somewhere, he throws a new curve ball at me. I hope I dealt with it all in a positive way - I wonder if anyone has ever experienced this type of thing before? but can't help thinking that my old body is not up to these shocks! What really irks is that I know he can behave but he cannot resist challenging my leadership on a regular basis - he certainly has no lack of courage. Guess my 'ballerina balance' helped me stay in the saddle and then challenge him right back!
Couldn't do anything yesterday as my car broke down on the way home from work - RAC call out and late home but we shall see what S can create tonight...
Everyone sounds to be getting lots of horse time and I so enjoy reading everyone's news. I hope the persistent rain has called a halt on all this activity!
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« Reply #126 on: Jun 8th, 2010, 10:46am »

I meant rain NOT called a halt on the horse activity! It's not much fun riding in the rain sad
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« Reply #127 on: Jun 11th, 2010, 4:18pm »

Its good to hear how everyone is doing. Vanessa,
keep the ballerina going and dont let that little monkey get you down1 He just needs telling -and telling-and telling , surely one day he ll listen to you first time.
Im glad , Moya, you are keeping up the liberty. We ve a friend who has had 4 N F s , and yes, they can be quite opinionated. I m told forest bred horses have a better temperament, or perhaps they have even more native cunning!
We are a farm of fields yellow with buttercups, and am sorry Whisper is a bit allergic to them. We blame the clay land cutting up all winter , allowing the weeds to spread. Only the horse fioelds become bad , so we try and rotate them with years of haylage to weaken the buttercups. However, it looks like we re losing the battle!
WE too have had to get another saddle , this time for Wills , who is incredibly fat. We thought his saddle was M/W and came back with 4 wide. No good , and discovered original saddle wide. So, another journey and 5 ex wide saddles. One was a dreaded sunthetic , C hated it , short flaps and not comfy. We settled on an old Albion as the best fit. Wills is such an 'up' horse he ll probably lose the weight soon enough. I rode ben , leading Guinness and C rode Wills. We are walking them out for an hour a day. Wills was a bit naughty - every gateway he passes through he thinks its time for a gallop. Luckily Guinness doesnt take any notice. Today I rode Guinness for a few minutes in the school. He was very good! He has a low head carriage and not very wide , so quite different to Ben.
We still have lots of horses , but the 2 with laminitis are still giving cause for concern, as they are in the big pens , [ after box rest at home for many months] but still not recovered.
C is riding the beautiful Hannovarian. He s strong , confident horse , and is more interested in my hand when I lead him , then C sat on board . He s been used to treats!! Anyway, I must go now and lead C again , as I had a time to get out there and I m already 5 mins late......
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« Reply #128 on: Jun 14th, 2010, 09:20am »

No need to be sorry about Whisper's allergy. I think Buttercups are like Marmite. She and the girls are on very low grass which will keep her heals aired. I find she gets soft frogs on one back foot and in contemplating her I realised it is caused by her standing in the wet ground with that foot under her to take the weight as she digs in the water trough!!! That is the foot which takes all the brunt.

I am back from my epic hen day journey and looking forward to getting on horses again. I still have family here so I can only do a short bit today. I am looking forward to my appointment with the saddler up here to discuss the 2 saddles I tried last week. I need a combination of the 2 for Tilly but they came nowhere near Whisper. So she will have a bit longer on holiday till I can get this sorted.

I can say I have finally reached maturity when one of my big sisters was nervous about walking through a horse field with the dog in the late evening and I explained their habits and body language. She wants me to go over and walk a bit more with her to talk her through it.

Her's hoping Duke is nice and chilled as I don't feel up to chinaigans today.

Also, Heather thinking of you and your Knee - did all go well?

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« Reply #129 on: Jun 15th, 2010, 12:42pm »

Best of luck with the saddles!
I cant believe we ve been on this 'summercamp2010' thread for months, but it ll soon actually be camp.
We hogged Guinness for the first time 2 days ago. We d tied him up besdie Wills , and Wills was done , then G just stood there and accepted it fine. [ ben was out of the way!] So now I can see the line of G s head and neck, and it looks good :he is a cob!
After a few days led out off Ben , I m now sitting on him in the school. Today he has ridden by C on a hack, and had planned for us to swap once coming back home. However, en route home G got a bit tired , so C ended up leading him back. At this moment in time , just getting used to weight on his back, we r e going to go easy ! But he was as good as gold. Ben , however, took exception to a big billy goat!
C now does not need me to lead the gorgeous Hann horse, as he is riding ok on his own.
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« Reply #130 on: Jul 3rd, 2010, 1:40pm »

Well, the camp is nearly upon us.
I hope everu=yone who comes enjoys it, learns a lot, and has plenty to take home to carry on further. The finished itinerary should be coming out to you all soon, just one guest speaker to confirm.
With the last 'visitors' leaving today [ apart from gorgeous George] we have afew days to tuidy the place up , take a breather then get into it all!
Charlie is away on a days lessons in Durham, new people , so he had to spend time making halters and lines yesterday!
Fingers crossed for fine weather - we ve cut some grass and hoping to make hay.
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« Reply #131 on: Jul 5th, 2010, 1:41pm »

Not long now. Having been planning this week since early January it seems suddenly to have arrived rather hurriedly! I've reached the stage of wondering how all Nins' stuff will fit in the car (bearing in mind it's a soft top!) as well as my stuff huh I can see me heading up the motorway in pouring rain with the lid down so that I can fit all the gear including electric posts in smiley Mind you, I've just heard that the long range forecast is for cloudy weather - so do I bring wellies or shorts?
I don't think everyone who's coming is registered on this forum so if I'm repeating myself with instructions please bear with me.
For those new to Sinnington there will be a sandwich board/A-frame thingy at the end of the drive (it'll be on your left) so do look out for it - no worries if you miss it, simply carry on to Kirby Moorside, go around the roundabout and look out for it on the way back.
If you have any queries, last minute concerns, or worries please let me know.
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« Reply #132 on: Jul 8th, 2010, 08:24am »

Yes, only 1 day to go before participants arrive!
So far the weather looks ok. It was so dark yeasterday, but the clouds went on by, allowing us to get 36 big bale hay. Even today its dry - we re desperate for a shower ! - and its a comfortable temperature to ride in.
There ll not be time to post here for the next week , so if you need to talk to us - come lalong and watch the camp days!
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« Reply #133 on: Jul 16th, 2010, 4:29pm »

What a marathon drive! tongue We got back in 6 hours with 2 very short stops as no where to park in the lorry/caravan areas of the service stations to make a brew.

Duke travelled well and walked down the ramp almost to the bottom when he couldn't contain it and jumped the last bit. The girls are pleased to see him although Whisper was a bit surprised as it is her first sighting. They are not to gether yet.

Well, what a good course. We were lucky with the weather really and I so enjoyed myself. Thanks to everyone for making it so worth while. Jusy so pooped now. Hope you all got home safely. laugh
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« Reply #134 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 5:53pm »

Good to hear from you , Alex!
Not everyone has got home ....Liz is still with us , after a very upset tum and a sore hip [ unrelated!] so will stay till she feels well enough to travel back.

Charlie and I are getting back to normal - though it seems quiet with empty fields and an abandoned cottage!
We had such a lovely group - all so helpful and supportive of eachother. And also keen to learn and take new things on board. I know its tiring for everyone - horses and people , but its a good way to get some concentrated time to push through whatever needs a nudge. I hope everyone wrote lots of notes to help remember.
Do keep us informed of progress!
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